Making It Up 169 —

Outlier designer Willie Norris and ongoing pandemic trauma


Eugene and Charis talk about how Willie Norris is reimagining menswear from a trans perspective at Outlier. They also discuss a recent Atlantic article by Ed Yong that goes into the reasons why people aren’t necessarily feeling better as the pandemic decreases in intensity.



  • 00:02:09 Willie Norris
  • 00:22:48 Trauma