On Making It Up 113, Charis and Eugene discuss what it means for podcasting that there were a record number of new podcasts launched in 2019. They also talk about Brian Phillips deciding to close his art and fashion public relations company Black Frame and the shift in fashion public relations as a whole.

Timestamps

00:04:34 New podcasts

00:19:57 Fashion PR

Links

• Insider Radio: There were a record number of podcast launches in 2019.
• Vogue Business: Brian Phillips shuttering Black Frame heralds major shift in fashion PR