Charis and Eugene talk about the 2019 MacArthur Grant winners and how money supports innovative work. They also discuss Greta Thunberg, LVMH’s Bernard Arnault’s comments about her, and the relationship between luxury and climate crisis activists.

00:01:11 The MacArthur Grant
00:21:48 Luxury and climate crisis
00:41:21 Banter

Luxury leader LVMH, in green mode, laments Thunberg’s pessimism
Meet this year’s 26 MacArthur ‘geniuses,’ who each got $625,000 for changing the world